Statement about relationship with IHOPKC

In 1999, I returned from the Brownsville Revival to a young prayer ministry known as the International House of Prayer in Kansas City. The values of revival, miracles, and worship was things that I saw values in the revival and in the larger Pentecostal movement.

I understood the concerns about accountability of prophetic words, the study of mystics and contemplative prayer. The main of these concerns for many was the lack of accountability for false words of prophecy. People questioned if I should be involved.

I have studied the views, the papers in 1990 that created all the drama, the prophetic words that did not happen, and even the aftermath. In short, it was a free for all for anyone claiming “thus saint the Lord” in the 1980’s. There was true prophets and there was false prophets.

However, the desire to see the Spirit of God poured out on ALL flesh (Joel 2:28), miracles confirming the gospel (Mark 16:15-20), and the presence of God to cover the earth was what “I signed up for.” The main driver was revival to complete the great commission.

I saw this as a extension of the declaration that “we commit to each other and to Him for the greatest evangelism thrust the world has ever seen.”

I returned to IHOPKC in 2021 after being away for over 15 years for a season of prayer and healing from non-stop ministry.

What about eschatology?

Today, IHOPKC is more known for its estachology than it is its pneumatology. Mike Bickle has taken some very strong views of what he called, “Apostolic Eschatology.” To be very clear, I reject the view that Mike pushes outside of revival and the fulfillment of the Great Commission.

I believe that the Holy Spirit will be poured and has been since the Topeka Outpouring (1901) as the latter rain. It will continue until every tongues, tribe and people have heard the gospel and seen it confirmed with miracles. After all have heard, the Church will be evacuated prior to the times of testing or the “great tribulation.”

What the International House of Prayer teaches is a modified interpretation of historical premillennialism. Most of their views is nothing new. It has been present for most of the history of the Church. While the view is problematic, it is not uncommon.

The reason that I can not agree with it is I do not see in light of the cultural and theological expectations of the early church. They clearly lived as if Jesus would return by the end of that week, if not before. There is no way the believers in Acts expected to live seven years out. They didn’t know if Jesus would come back in the next 7 hours.

The other challenge with the end time views currently at IHOP is the underlining Kingdom Now ideology. Much emphasis has been on redeeming the culture and fighting liberalism instead of preaching the gospel with power to the people trapped within that culture. This eschatology emphasis has replaced the emphasis on revival and the harvest.

So what is the relationship?

I have a commitment of being in 12 hours a week (two hours a day) as a “prayer room staff.” I am only involved in being in the prayer meetings. I am not part of Forerunner Church, Israel Mandate, or other expressions of ministry. I am still only “signing up” for revival, miracles and worship. I value the people but not involved at any level.

The passion for revival is what keeps me here and until the Lord tells me to move away from the prayer room completely, I will remain faithful to be here to pray for revival, miracles, and the harvest.

As Smith Wigglesworth said a century ago that the Spirit would shake everything that can be shaken and that the vision and revelation of God would become a burning love for sinners.[1]Smith Wigglesworth, Complete Collection, p. 478

The truth is I see the prayer room for what it is: a prayer meeting. It is a place to come and pray with others for revival. I do not have to agree with everyone in the room to seek the face of God with them. The truth is no everyone in any assembly agrees completely. Many within the Assemblies silently question women in ministry, for example.

I realized that many have questions and I also realized many within the “IHOP community” (not really a community!) view me as the bull in a China shop for the same reason. Basically, I with IHOP in prayer but not in theology.

Pray to the Lord of the Harvest

I am an evangelist. I burn for souls. I live, breathe and sleep evangelism. There is little or no evangelism going on within the IHOPKC context. In fact, everytime I have asked about it, it has been shot down. Evangelism is seen as not important at IHOP.

While you can have evangelism without revival, you can’t have revival without evangelism. The idea that revival will come apart of compassion for sinners and love for the downcast is deception. Praying to the Lord of the Harvest without a desire for the harvest does not connect.

Evangelists need to be people of prayer. You can’t give away what you don’t have. (Acts 3:6) However, the outlet of that prayer must be evangelism. This simply won’t happen at IHOPKC and it goes deep than philosophy, it is theological. There is actually anti-evangelism doctrine at play.

With that established, I consider my relationship with IHOP is more community that that of family. I am a friend of the ministry more than a family member. I can not, honestly, say I can “run with” a group of people that refuse the directly fulfill the commission of Jesus locally and globally.

As long as the Lord allows, I will use the prayer room for times of seeking Him for outpouring of the Spirit and strategy for how to reach the broken, the downcast and the homeless. This remains the driver for being part of prayer meetings. This has not changed since the days of the Brownsville Revival.





1 Smith Wigglesworth, Complete Collection, p. 478

Can we bring revival? : Response to David Sliker

David Sliker is a leader at the International House of Prayer and in 2020, he released a book called The Nations rage: Prayer, Promise and Power in an Anti-Christian age. I know that Sliker is faithfully seeking to declare what he believes to be truth. Many Pentecostals, including myself, would be disagree with his eschatology that is the basis for the book, we also would find common ground on the need for intercession in the last days of the age of the Holy Spirit. (Church age.)

Personally, I look past disagreement on the timing of the rapture in most cases. I have many friends on both sides of the discussion. As long as you are Pre-Mill, you are good to go in my book.

On page 96 he says,

There is an unknown and profoundly sovereign dimension to revivals of any kind. No one can make God move or pour out His Spirit upon a region or a people….

This raises a question about the nature of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believers and corporately in the life of the local assembly. Is God letting people go to hell and keeping freedom from the believer waiting for a “good time to send revival” or is the issue on our end? If the problem is on our end, we can change that. If it is on His end, we can not.

As a student of revival, especially American revival; I believe the bulk of the evidence would point towards revival is not a sovereign move of the Lord but it is a response of free will to do what the Spirit has purposed all along.

Considering the Revivalists of Pentecost

I have on my desk books of revival from Reinhard Bonnke, Rod Parsley, Stanley Horton, Alton Garrison, David Wilkerson, Steve Hill, Michael L. Brown, Cecil Robeck, and John Kilpatrick. (There is over 150 books in my library on revival!) All of them seem to hold a similar view that revival is man’s response to own our sinful state than God saying, “I better show up, there has been enough to go to hell now.”

The Holy Spirit is able to make the Word as successful now as in the days of the apostles. He can bring in souls by hundreds of thousands as well as by ones and twos. The reason why we are no more prosperous is that we have not the Holy Spirit with us in might and power as in the early days. (Oswald J. Smith, The Revival we need, p. 33)

Smith was not a Pentecostal but understood the need for the mighty baptism of the Holy Spirit. He spend much time with a prophet of his day, A.W. Tozer who lived for the outpouring of the Spirit. He knew that the problem with revival was on our end; not the Lord’s.

There has been many voices that contend the revival is a result of man’s hunger for the things of the Spirit, not the Spirit saying, “Enough is enough.”


The Azusa Street Revival testimony

William Seymour stayed with Edward and Mattie Lee while waiting for finances to return to Texas. It was here that the prayer meetings started until they grew too much that they had to be moved to Richard Asberry’s house on Bonnie Brae Street. After that, it ended up on Azusa Street thus, the Azusa Street Revival.

There is something fundamental about the Azusa Street Revival that is important. Prayer was the driver. Prayer is not about changing the will of God but about bringing our will into line with the will of the Spirit. Revival is not about the Spirit coming alive; it is about men becoming dead.

The focus was on dealing with the flesh and becoming sanctified (as the holiness movement understood it), not waiting on God to say “It’s time.” They understood that prayer was the venue to death of the self so they could receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The testimony of the people of the Azusa Street Revival is the same today. Prayer is about your death and coming into agreement with the will of the Father. Living in a place of prayer is living the repentance based lifestyle of denying yourself and picking up your cross daily.

The story of the revival on Azusa Street is the only example. Revival has come time and time again when people rend their hearts and not their garments (Joel 2:13) willing to die to themselves so the Spirit is come in them, on them and through them.


So is David Sliker’s book any good?

The simple answer is YES! I do not agree with the eschatology of it but I think he does a good service to the faithful but discussing the parrells of coming trouble with revival. Before the rapture, there will be some hard days ahead. It won’t be signs, wonders and miracles every day all day even in the final moments of the age of the Holy Spirit. Martyrdom will increase. Suffering will increase. Corruption will increase.
Since at least the 1970’s, we have been warned that we will see serious struggles in light of the great end time harvest. A prophet named David Wilkerson gave us the stories of his open visions as early as 1973 that come in agreement with much of what David Sliker has to say.

Trouble is ahead between now and the rapture. Revival will over take the trouble but there will be some of both. (There is ALOT more trouble after the rapture too!)

The focus is on revival and the the best has been saved for the last. The ending of the age of the Spirit will be the greatest outpouring we have seen in the history of the Church. It will be one billion souls harvest and healing and deliverance will be at the center of it all. No disease will stand against the anointed Holy Ghost baptized anointed ones.

It is coming. It is close at hand. So is purification.

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